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- [Computer] One, two, three, four, five,

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I caught a hair alive.

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Downloaded from
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Sister Suzie sells seashells
down by the seashore.

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She sells sea shells
down by the sea shore.

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Official YIFY movies site:
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Sister Suzie sells sea
shells down by the sea shore.

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- [Woman] Hello, darling.

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- Hello, honey.

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- How are you?

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- I'm all right, how are you?

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- Can't you look at me
when you talk to me?

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- I'm looking at you.

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- But it doesn't look
like that in the camera.

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- I see.
- It doesn't look like

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you're look at all.
- Oh, there's no syntax.

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Oh, I see.

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- [Man] They're crossing,
they're crossing.

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- But it looks like an eye,

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from that point, there is looking at you.

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- Oh, that's very nice, that's cute.

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Maybe I should kind of look at you.

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(giggling)

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And talk to you.

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- Hi, is that you?

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- Yes.

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- Hi, how are you?

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- Oh, thank you,

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I'm fine.
- Why don't you kiss my hand?

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(kissing)

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It's a media couple, huh?

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God, they're disintegrated into.

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Yeah, we use it.

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(soft, ambient music)

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- [Man] Vasulkas, for me, are two

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of the most important
artists of the 20th Century.

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And I consider that to be a
new Renaissance, because both

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art and science, in the
beginning of the 20th Century,

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have redefined reality
and how we represent it.

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- No, you did so a while ago.

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- [Man] Green A, L, U.

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(dissonant music)

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- I really see Steina's and
Woody's work as important,

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because it was, is many
ways, ahead of its time.

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Not only were pioneers of video art,

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exploring its early manifestations,

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but I think they already saw its relevance

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to what this work could be,
and the potential that it had,

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and how it would relate
to a future mediascape

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that we are inhabiting right now.

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- I didn't know this was
gonna be a masterpiece.

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(cheering)

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Shit, how could we do this, Woody?

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- [Woody] I don't know.

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(static buzzing)

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(birds softly chirping)

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(soft, ambient music)

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(vegetation rustling)

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I've never taken life seriously.

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I never insisted on living.

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I was given that, and I never
had a chance to waste it.

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(blow dryer humming)

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- [Steina] I've always felt

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that I saw the world differently.

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And when I was younger, I would say,

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why don't they see the world like I do?

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What's wrong with them?

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But now, it's just something
that's wrong with me.

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And that's good that I have
my place on the planet.

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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- I really don't know what to do

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in the morning, except what I do here.

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Steina, Steina.

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Ah, I see my pee pee.

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Because when you are
younger, and suddenly,

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you wake up in the morning, and just work.

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And now, here, you have to make coffee,

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and wait for something else.

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(keyboard clicking)

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The house is just kind of alone.

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But now, I'm just looking
out of the window.

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What is the day, Steina?

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- Still a Wednesday.

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(chuckling)

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(electricity humming)

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- There are here the most
important hard drives,

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and they are all active, and
they all meet in this computer.

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Maybe I would like to make
my legacy, leave it behind.

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And see, unfortunately, I have
this woman with me, Steina.

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She always really put
me straight, you know?

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- Well, let me just see what I have.

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Yes.

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No, I need one of these guys.

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- Which one?

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Oh, the big one.

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- Yeah.

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This is what we have to do,
you know, is all the tapes.

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They are well over 500.

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They are going to be digitized.

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This is half-inch, and we have them

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half done and half not done.

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See, this is how early video looked like.

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It came on a reel like that,
the tape like this, you know?

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- Terry worked me all off a
thing, because this is the only

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book that contains everything,
as far as hard drives.

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That means, everything
that we have recorded

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and put into the hard drive format.

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That's all the legacy we
are leaving behind us.

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- Well, one thing is
for sure, that humankind

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is much more interested
in archived past art

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than whatever is happening now.

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(device clicking)

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(gadget whirring)

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(soft, ambient music)

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(distortion buzzing)

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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- This is a great opportunity
for me to talk to you

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tonight about the problem
we all are involved,

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and we all would like
to solve for the future.

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Let me see what we have here.

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Hold on, there's pictures here.

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- [Steina] This is what
you did with Alfons.

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- [Woody] Oh, yes,
that's very interesting.

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- [Steina] This is a unique
picture of Woody, the filmmaker.

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(soft, ambient music)

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- This.

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AMU, DAMU, FAMU, and HAMU.

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I spent the last, maybe, three years

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of my film education right here.

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(bluesy music)

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Prominent school now.

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Historically speaking, we would write

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and produce 35 millimeter films there.

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(upbeat orchestral music)

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But of course, since Lenin said that

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the film was the most important medium

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for the political
propaganda of the so-called

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communist future, it
was lavishly sponsored.

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(train horn blaring)

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- [Steina] I came here in the
fall, September 18 of '59,

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to Czechoslovakia to study violin.

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And I didn't know much
about playing violin.

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I was not a good student, really.

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And it was such a big deal.

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My parents were good bourgeois people,

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and they got so scarred
that they were gonna send

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the favorite daughter out to Prague.

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(soft, jazzy music)

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- [Woody] I just finished
school, and the film

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I ended with was a documentary type,

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because I couldn't really face the actors.

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And so, I just said, no,
I'm not cut to do this.

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I'm not gonna pursue this,
and I have nothing to say

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to film, because film was
glorious at that time.

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- There was a common
dormitory, so I met a lot

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of the kids that were
going to the film school.

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I met Woody in the dormitory.

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(soft, ambient music)

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It looked a little bit like that place

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- With that big narrow piece.

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- This one.

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- Yeah.

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- Okay, we're in the right place.

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- We stood here.

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And Kendra, she introduced
us to each other.

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And you gave me the hand, like that.

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You remember that?

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You gave me the hand.

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- Yeah, just like that.
- And you said,

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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He said, marry me, get me out of here.

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And I said, yes.

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And were the first words
were said to each other.

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(sighing)

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- That was after I tried to fix you up.

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- [Steina] No, you were.

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It was very nonchalant, it was,
sure, I'll marry you, sure.

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(soft piano music)

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- So, this was the place.

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We came there.

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It's very small place, you know?

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- It was just a place
where they did marriages.

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And it was very uninformal.

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They asked us if you want
the music, and we said, yes.

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And I said, can you play the
Mendelssohn Wedding March?

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What's that, they said.

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Can you play Wagner Wedding March?

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They said, we don't know that.

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Then they played Czech
music, and it was better.

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(bell ringing)

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(soft piano music)

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- Would you ring a bell?

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- I will ring a bell.

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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(soft, ambient music)

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- As a child, I used to play here.

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This was my playground.

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Ah.

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(laughing)

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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My father's machinery.

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My father was a communist.

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And my father want me
to be in the factory,

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because he was in the factory.

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Unfortunately, that
factory was making weapons.

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I was there, but I didn't work.

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And then, I said to myself, no, of course,

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I don't want to go to a factory.

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I just want to be free man.

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He had, downstairs in the
bottom of a house, a workshop,

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which I visited since age of
three and half, or whatever.

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And he never mind if I broke
something like a drill bit.

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So, he look at me, and always
just learning, as I did.

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(soft, ambient music)

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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This was my sister.

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And she was always older, and
she had her own friends, see?

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She didn't care for me.

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(soft piano music)

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- Very difficult to get
through this Iron Curtain.

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We had to fill out an application.

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And one of the questions was,
where do you intend to live?

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We said, Iceland.

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Because we were not stupid.

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We were not gonna say U.S.A.

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And that's what took them
18 months to think about

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from the time we submitted
application to get married.

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So, it was clear, even before
we put it into application,

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we will never live in Iceland.

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It didn't serve any purpose,
but they just decided

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that Woody was a traitor,
since he has left,

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and took away his citizenship.

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(train hatch rattling)

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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And I left two days later,
two days after the wedding.

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(speaking in a foreign language)

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I left for Iceland.

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(jet engine roaring)

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(soft, ambient music)

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(water splashing)

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(water splashing)

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And there, I immediately
joined the symphony orchestra.

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They have a warm seat for me.

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And so, I managed to play
in the symphony orchestra

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from the beginning in January of '64

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until the end of December '64.

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Then I played an awful
lot of chamber music,

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because it's good players,
and we were all the same age.

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And I left for the United
States then beginning of '65.

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And Woody had to still get his exam.

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(jet engine humming)

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(landing gear squealing)

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And it was really homelandish for me.

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We came here in '65, and
so, we were here five years

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before we sort of landed into video.

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And in the fall, we got a
residency at International House.

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- What's made you tick,
what's made you be here?

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What's made you find a
reason to occupy your time?

259
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This is what we want.

260
00:15:27,410 --> 00:15:30,370
- Then, we met Alfons Schilling,

261
00:15:30,370 --> 00:15:33,060
and he said, you have to live in a loft.

262
00:15:33,060 --> 00:15:37,183
There are loft all over this
new thing that they call SoHo.

263
00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:43,910
It was well chain lofted
and a sweatshop before,

264
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:48,910
and it was large and good, and cost 125.

265
00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,260
And they will say, aren't you crazy?

266
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Nobody pays over $100 for a loft.

267
00:15:58,909 --> 00:16:00,533
They took you for one.

268
00:16:00,533 --> 00:16:03,973
(soft, ambient music)

269
00:16:03,973 --> 00:16:06,500
That was on 14th Street and Union Square.

270
00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:08,920
And I think we must have moved there

271
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either '67 or '68, somewhere in there.

272
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And it became a wild place.

273
00:16:14,609 --> 00:16:17,526
(people screaming)

274
00:16:20,234 --> 00:16:21,893
(people cheering)

275
00:16:21,893 --> 00:16:24,893
(upbeat rock music)

276
00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:35,240
And at that time, the video
was starting to come up.

277
00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,046
Andy Warhol had a so-called Rover.

278
00:16:39,046 --> 00:16:44,046
That was the portable camera
that he bought in '68.

279
00:16:47,060 --> 00:16:51,420
Woody was working that summer of '69

280
00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:53,430
with these kind of weird people

281
00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:57,070
who were mostly
photographers or filmmakers.

282
00:16:57,070 --> 00:17:00,380
And he start to discover video.

283
00:17:00,380 --> 00:17:01,930
It had to do with that they were

284
00:17:01,930 --> 00:17:05,260
going to make a industrial exhibition

285
00:17:07,606 --> 00:17:11,450
with something called General Can Company.

286
00:17:11,450 --> 00:17:14,290
Woody suggest that they
will do it in video,

287
00:17:14,290 --> 00:17:18,530
because they were doing
those multiple screens.

288
00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:21,630
And he said, you can just put one image

289
00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:24,270
on as many monitors as you can.

290
00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:26,070
- We are getting into another project,

291
00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:29,610
which is also dealing with TV.

292
00:17:29,610 --> 00:17:31,930
Industrial shows isn't our bag, exactly.

293
00:17:31,930 --> 00:17:34,650
We want to get more socially connected,

294
00:17:34,650 --> 00:17:39,650
to get more or less into other fields.

295
00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:42,983
And that's gonna dictate
for us the future.

296
00:17:45,260 --> 00:17:48,530
- And that summer, there was an exhibition

297
00:17:48,530 --> 00:17:53,530
in Howard Weiss Gallery called
TV as a Creative Medium.

298
00:17:53,970 --> 00:17:56,560
And that's where we met all of them,

299
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,448
Nam June and Eric Siegel.

300
00:17:59,448 --> 00:18:01,310
- Why do you have the
camera pointed in the lights

301
00:18:01,310 --> 00:18:02,323
Pan it down.

302
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,040
- [Woody] Yeah, we are speechless.

303
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,423
We are tired.

304
00:18:06,423 --> 00:18:08,234
- I'm very tired.
- We are very tired.

305
00:18:08,234 --> 00:18:09,830
- He walks in there, and we found Nam June

306
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:12,550
on the floor, fixing the TV bra.

307
00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:15,470
And I realize, in retrospect,

308
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:17,270
that that had a great influence.

309
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:22,230
- My very first one was
where I put sound waves.

310
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:25,130
'Cause I had sound waves,
anyway, in general.

311
00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:26,340
- Yeah.

312
00:18:26,340 --> 00:18:30,000
- To create the video pictures, you know?

313
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,490
- Just directly into video input?

314
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:32,680
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

315
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,761
That's the first thing we did, too.

316
00:18:33,761 --> 00:18:34,974
- Yeah, that's it.

317
00:18:34,974 --> 00:18:35,870
- But many years later.

318
00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:38,147
- Yeah, and they said,
oh, we get just lines,

319
00:18:38,147 --> 00:18:39,924
and the engineer said nothing.

320
00:18:39,924 --> 00:18:40,834
Then I think, well, let's do.

321
00:18:40,834 --> 00:18:42,167
- [Steina] Yeah.

322
00:18:45,235 --> 00:18:49,811
- And how can you say that
this is just stupid clips?

323
00:18:49,811 --> 00:18:50,644
Please.

324
00:18:50,644 --> 00:18:51,958
You don't like it.

325
00:18:51,958 --> 00:18:52,791
That's all.

326
00:18:52,791 --> 00:18:54,697
But do we know him?

327
00:18:54,697 --> 00:18:55,530
- [Steina] Yes.

328
00:18:55,530 --> 00:18:56,363
- Yes?

329
00:18:56,363 --> 00:18:57,711
- [Steina] We used to know him.

330
00:18:57,711 --> 00:18:58,670
- Who?

331
00:18:58,670 --> 00:19:00,163
- [Steina] We used to know him.

332
00:19:01,337 --> 00:19:03,720
- Please, for the public, so we can,

333
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,820
- [Steina] Ah yeah, his
name is Nam June Paik.

334
00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:08,820
- This is Nam June Paik?

335
00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:10,120
Is he dead already?

336
00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:11,486
- [Steina] Yeah.

337
00:19:11,486 --> 00:19:15,013
- Shit, so we can say about
him anything you want.

338
00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:18,790
- [Steina] But his theory
was we should hang on it,

339
00:19:18,790 --> 00:19:20,635
and then sell it for a lot of money.

340
00:19:20,635 --> 00:19:21,468
- Steina,

341
00:19:21,468 --> 00:19:23,562
it's such a naive piece.
- It was autographed.

342
00:19:23,562 --> 00:19:24,395
Huh?

343
00:19:24,395 --> 00:19:25,675
- It's such a naive piece.

344
00:19:25,675 --> 00:19:27,049
- [Steina] Yeah, yeah.

345
00:19:27,049 --> 00:19:30,799
- And look, he puts
that, and switch as that.

346
00:19:34,239 --> 00:19:38,789
(horn bellowing)
(bell ringing)

347
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:43,575
Started to shoot everything,
you know, like jazz

348
00:19:43,575 --> 00:19:46,575
(modern jazz music)

349
00:19:52,602 --> 00:19:55,162
- No, no, no, one limousine.

350
00:19:55,162 --> 00:19:56,500
- [Steina] We would do documentaries,

351
00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:59,943
and lectures, and all kind of other stuff.

352
00:20:00,787 --> 00:20:02,010
(singing in a foreign language)

353
00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:04,260
Sometimes even get
money and sums of worth.

354
00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:06,713
- [Woman] Are you any more satisfied now?

355
00:20:06,713 --> 00:20:10,580
- Yeah, we're more
satisfied now, sexually.

356
00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:12,160
- [Steina] But we knew that for the one

357
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,230
where there was an audience,
for the other, there wasn't.

358
00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:16,513
It was clear like that.

359
00:20:18,864 --> 00:20:22,281
(classical violin music)

360
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,320
I was still playing, and he
comes from Fillmore East,

361
00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:43,566
where he had taped Jethro
Tull, which was a wild group.

362
00:20:43,566 --> 00:20:46,048
- Ah-one, two, three.

363
00:20:46,048 --> 00:20:48,326
(rock music)

364
00:20:48,326 --> 00:20:52,576
(audience cheering and applauding)

365
00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:59,820
- [Steina] We liked it
very much, and there was

366
00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:03,637
a steady stream of people
who wanted to see it.

367
00:21:04,728 --> 00:21:06,750
- [Woody] We're gonna look at this.

368
00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:09,840
Nice loft, and the musicians
from upstairs started

369
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,270
to migrate down, and got
stoned, it was all fantastic.

370
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:14,835
Hey man.

371
00:21:14,835 --> 00:21:16,365
- [Man] How are you?

372
00:21:16,365 --> 00:21:17,830
- [Woody] Bloody Christ, Miles Davis,

373
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:21,530
we had collected very
interesting features.

374
00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:23,110
- [Steina] And they would
always bring friends,

375
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:25,120
and then people would call us and say,

376
00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,130
can we see what you shot the other night?

377
00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:28,980
And we didn't have any home anymore.

378
00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:30,310
We couldn't even go to bed,

379
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:33,013
because the house was full of people.

380
00:21:33,013 --> 00:21:38,013
("(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction"
by The Rolling Stones)

381
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,050
They were definitely fun.

382
00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:49,050
It was just fabulous to
socialize with what was going on.

383
00:21:54,550 --> 00:21:59,550
And it was so much partying
and drinking and carrying on.

384
00:21:59,765 --> 00:22:04,765
And we just had a time of it,
and it got better ever year.

385
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:10,700
'65 was the most kind of
sober, '66 was getting there.

386
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,420
And by '68, it was totally full-fledged.

387
00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:16,253
- I'd like to dedicate this one

388
00:22:16,253 --> 00:22:18,470
to the city dragging
scene that's going on.

389
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:19,530
All the soldiers that are fighting

390
00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:22,310
in Chicago and Milwaukee and New York.

391
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:24,464
Oh yes, and all the soldiers
fighting in Vietnam.

392
00:22:24,464 --> 00:22:25,297
(guitar chord blaring)

393
00:22:25,297 --> 00:22:26,814
I do a thing called Machine Gun.

394
00:22:26,814 --> 00:22:31,814
♪ Hey, I think I might
survive the border ♪

395
00:22:32,237 --> 00:22:36,160
- [Steina] Jimi Hendrix was either on

396
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,290
the last day of '69 or first day of '70.

397
00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:42,987
And at that time was considered,

398
00:22:42,987 --> 00:22:46,290
that was the day when I started video.

399
00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:47,620
- Happy New Year, first of all.

400
00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:52,620
- [Steina] And to be locked
into this culture of video.

401
00:22:53,727 --> 00:22:55,650
And it was kind of culture.

402
00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:57,800
We didn't know what to
do when it was happening,

403
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,893
but in retrospect, it was very intense.

404
00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:05,590
(static buzzing)

405
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:10,260
And I assumed that everybody
was fascinated by the Zipmal,

406
00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:13,350
which, for us, was the magic,
that you could make video

407
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:16,590
out of audio signal,
audio out video signal,

408
00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:19,880
or take an external source and get them

409
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,277
both to move the moving image.

410
00:23:23,277 --> 00:23:26,177
(distortion blaring)

411
00:23:26,177 --> 00:23:29,840
And that it was electronic, it was unique.

412
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,517
And we assumed that everybody
was involved in that.

413
00:23:32,517 --> 00:23:35,133
But in retrospect, nobody was except us.

414
00:23:36,727 --> 00:23:39,644
(electronic music)

415
00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:44,210
- [Woody] Did you just
move another object?

416
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:48,800
- [Steina] We had processing
amplifiers and sync generator,

417
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,567
and none of our colleagues did that.

418
00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:54,700
And this is actually
why everybody concluded

419
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,763
we are not artists, that
we were the techies.

420
00:23:59,765 --> 00:24:02,682
(electronic music)

421
00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:04,900
We were mostly the
foreigners, we were mostly

422
00:24:06,217 --> 00:24:11,210
among the Czechs, and there
was a lot of suspicion.

423
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:13,723
We never knew who was
a spy and who was not.

424
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,480
And we had to sort of figure
that, everything, out.

425
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,460
And then came the onslaught,
after the Russians

426
00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:26,460
moved in to Czech of
artists from Czechoslovakia.

427
00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:32,473
- Some missing picture from the gallery.

428
00:24:34,866 --> 00:24:35,699
(Steina groaning)

429
00:24:35,699 --> 00:24:37,540
- [Woody] Nudity all over the place.

430
00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:39,240
- [Steina] You know, the
Czechs are like Icelanders,

431
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,653
they don't care if somebody sees them.

432
00:24:45,103 --> 00:24:45,940
- Steina.
- Yeah?

433
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:47,630
- What was this orgy here?

434
00:24:51,202 --> 00:24:52,130
- [Steina] We have no rights

435
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:53,520
to show this to anybody.
- Wow.

436
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,680
- No, but I don't know, I don't remember.

437
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,370
Is it from Canada?

438
00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:58,203
- [Steina] Yeah.

439
00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:04,650
The Czechs are very loose,
exciting case in them.

440
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:07,380
So, we were used to that.

441
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:11,390
There was a competition,
who had the longest penis,

442
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:15,710
or there was a revolution, and dancing

443
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:19,120
together naked, and things like that.

444
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,530
So, weren't totally aware of how

445
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:24,300
puritanical it was still in America.

446
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,390
Of course, we had to have parties

447
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:28,340
where everybody took off their clothes.

448
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,486
(soft, ambient music)

449
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:43,807
Once, I saw a beautiful scene.

450
00:25:43,807 --> 00:25:44,640
- [Alfons] What?

451
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,462
- [Steina] First there was a girl sitting,

452
00:25:46,462 --> 00:25:47,295
I told you about this.

453
00:25:47,295 --> 00:25:48,128
- No.
- She was sitting

454
00:25:48,128 --> 00:25:51,621
like that in the window,
beautiful girl, just across here.

455
00:25:51,621 --> 00:25:54,377
And then suddenly, she stood up,

456
00:25:54,377 --> 00:25:57,160
and she was as nake as nake could be.

457
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,660
So, I was writing more, and I was

458
00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:02,760
looking up sometimes,
spying just a little bit.

459
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,913
And suddenly, here came this guy.

460
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:09,270
Exactly as nake.

461
00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:10,870
(laughing)

462
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:12,455
I like that, wow.

463
00:26:12,455 --> 00:26:14,330
And now, I just sat in the window,

464
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:16,943
and I didn't stop looking.

465
00:26:17,957 --> 00:26:20,220
And what do you think I saw then?

466
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:21,053
- [Man] I don't know.

467
00:26:21,053 --> 00:26:22,253
- Another naked guy.

468
00:26:23,544 --> 00:26:24,950
(gasping)

469
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:26,190
- Too much.

470
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:28,700
- We befriended Alfons.

471
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,630
He had discovered 3D,
and Woody had helped him

472
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:37,523
to build some mice machines to take 3D.

473
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,130
And he was, that time,
taking portrait of people.

474
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:46,700
And he needed subjects.

475
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:51,700
So, in the transfer state, he
found, first, Jackie Curtis.

476
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,080
And he comes to us, and says,

477
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,408
you want to come to a party?

478
00:26:58,408 --> 00:27:00,755
(people cheering)

479
00:27:00,755 --> 00:27:03,755
(mellow rock music)

480
00:27:06,985 --> 00:27:07,985
- Oh, hello.

481
00:27:08,948 --> 00:27:11,823
- Is that a TV camera or a movie camera?

482
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,910
- [Steina] He took us there, and there was

483
00:27:19,910 --> 00:27:24,481
this beautiful party,
and Jackie sang her song.

484
00:27:24,481 --> 00:27:25,371
(piano music)

485
00:27:25,371 --> 00:27:29,011
♪ Oh, in old Constantinople, ♪

486
00:27:29,011 --> 00:27:30,855
(people cheering)

487
00:27:30,855 --> 00:27:34,041
♪ Love has got an oval ♪

488
00:27:34,041 --> 00:27:38,265
(people cheering and laughing)

489
00:27:38,265 --> 00:27:41,265
(people applauding)

490
00:27:44,828 --> 00:27:45,661
- [Steina] Salvador Dali
was there, and Mama,

491
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,623
Ellen Steward of La Mama.

492
00:27:53,478 --> 00:27:57,538
- And since then, she's
been writing plays.

493
00:27:57,538 --> 00:28:01,526
And her play, Heaven Grand in Amber Orbit,

494
00:28:01,526 --> 00:28:02,940
is currently playing.
- Bravo.

495
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:06,788
- [Ellen] At La Mama, at the
Playhouse of the Ridiculous.

496
00:28:06,788 --> 00:28:09,205
(applauding)

497
00:28:10,488 --> 00:28:13,405
(soft piano music)

498
00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:21,537
- [Steina] We came here
to see Femme Fatale,

499
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,503
which was written by Jackie Curtis.

500
00:28:26,988 --> 00:28:31,905
♪ I remember the night
you told me goodbye ♪

501
00:28:32,938 --> 00:28:34,340
- [Steina] She was the main star.

502
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:36,730
And in it was also Patti Smith.

503
00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:41,125
She was totally new in
New York, exactly then.

504
00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:42,535
- Ah, this is a stickup.

505
00:28:42,535 --> 00:28:43,368
- No.

506
00:28:43,368 --> 00:28:48,368
- And we did our first theater
production with Jackie.

507
00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:50,790
And there were one of four or five

508
00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:52,733
that she eventually ended up doing.

509
00:28:54,673 --> 00:28:55,506
(chuckling)

510
00:28:55,506 --> 00:28:57,340
- [Man] Jackie was a playwright,

511
00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:58,793
and that was very important.

512
00:29:00,130 --> 00:29:03,570
And we could provide for
that, it's important.

513
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:05,240
- This is both Jackie.

514
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,413
Jackie as a man, and Jackie as a woman.

515
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:10,210
- That means you, too, sister.

516
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:15,210
- Oh, Diana, goddess of the
moon, tread lightly tonight.

517
00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:17,950
Treat lightly tomorrow night.

518
00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:21,423
Diana, Diana, Diana.

519
00:29:21,423 --> 00:29:22,730
(body thudding)

520
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:25,860
- [Steina] The transvestites
were always always

521
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:28,600
the most avant garde of all avant gardes.

522
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,600
So, that became kind of my playground.

523
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,470
Woody didn't do much with them at all.

524
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:38,430
I needed to train on camera.

525
00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:40,723
I needed to become a camera person.

526
00:29:42,235 --> 00:29:43,068
- Canda Lupe.

527
00:29:43,068 --> 00:29:43,901
(gasping)

528
00:29:43,901 --> 00:29:44,840
Lupe Velez.

529
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,212
- That's me, that's me.
- Mala Femmina.

530
00:29:47,212 --> 00:29:49,045
Steina is so fabulous.

531
00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:53,470
There is nothing in Western civilization

532
00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:56,300
she knows from, and don't freak her out.

533
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,567
- [Steina] They loved to
be in front of the camera.

534
00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:03,567
They loved to be unusual
and female in one scene,

535
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:05,983
and then male in another scene.

536
00:30:06,869 --> 00:30:10,452
♪ Is this my Achilles heel ♪

537
00:30:11,833 --> 00:30:13,600
- They were interviewed all the time,

538
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,280
because they did the films with Warhol,

539
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,003
but they also did the plays here.

540
00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:21,570
Candy and Jackie were a
part of not only La Mama,

541
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:24,920
but also the Factory, Andy Warhol.

542
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,300
I think it was Vain
Victory they were doing.

543
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,958
And the show was supposed to start.

544
00:30:29,958 --> 00:30:31,920
And on the list for Vain Victory,

545
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,910
there were many, many famous people.

546
00:30:33,910 --> 00:30:36,990
Andy Warhol, all these people,
blah, blah, blah, you know.

547
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:38,830
And what would happen
is, if somebody showed up

548
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:41,500
to see the show, Jackie,
in the middle of the show,

549
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:43,160
would go into the audience
and bring them up,

550
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,060
and said, oh, here's Lou
Reed, or here's so-and-so.

551
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:47,070
And he's coming here.

552
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:48,870
So, suddenly, he was part of the show.

553
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:50,377
But, in fact, he never
was a part of the show.

554
00:30:50,377 --> 00:30:53,447
It was somebody that you pulled in.

555
00:30:53,447 --> 00:30:57,020
(acoustic guitar music)

556
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:59,710
- We get sound on this thing.

557
00:30:59,710 --> 00:31:02,370
- Even Andy Warhol came once.

558
00:31:02,370 --> 00:31:06,107
They dragged him up to our
loft, we were up on 3rd floor.

559
00:31:06,107 --> 00:31:07,980
But we were neighbors, because we were on

560
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:11,058
the Union Square, and he
was on the Union Square.

561
00:31:11,058 --> 00:31:11,972
- This is Steina.

562
00:31:11,972 --> 00:31:14,753
I hired her to do a table read.

563
00:31:20,417 --> 00:31:22,337
We leave it at that portion.

564
00:31:22,337 --> 00:31:24,480
- And we found out that he spoke

565
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:30,406
not Czech, but Rusanian,
which was very close.

566
00:31:30,406 --> 00:31:34,950
They play it up in the
mountains of Slovakia.

567
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:38,163
So, we were able to talk
to him on that language.

568
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:42,450
And then, I watched where
they took him up the elevator.

569
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:45,790
He was flirting me, and we
were flirting with each other.

570
00:31:45,790 --> 00:31:48,580
And I had these stinging eyes.

571
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:53,580
And I understood why everybody
was kind of in love with him,

572
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,910
both the men and the women.

573
00:31:56,910 --> 00:32:00,430
And the men knew he was
homosexual, and the women

574
00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,619
we sure he was a secret heterosexual.

575
00:32:03,619 --> 00:32:05,933
It was kind of funny,
he was very sexy, yeah.

576
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,287
(people clamoring)

577
00:32:10,287 --> 00:32:13,332
Oh, it was very much in the air.

578
00:32:13,332 --> 00:32:17,673
It was impossible to not be involved.

579
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:22,500
Like, say, the earth's
first Earth Day ever

580
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,500
happened right outside our window,

581
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,343
because it was on Union Square.

582
00:32:27,582 --> 00:32:28,930
(people chanting)

583
00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:31,100
So, we had never heard of any Earth Day,

584
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:35,807
or that the earth needed
a day, or any of that.

585
00:32:35,807 --> 00:32:37,990
But of course we went
out there to tape it.

586
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:41,956
That was a part of being in New York.

587
00:32:41,956 --> 00:32:43,750
- The transfer in Nevada.
- The last four years,

588
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:46,330
genocide has been practiced
on the Black Panther Party,

589
00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:47,660
because we're a revolutionary party

590
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:52,220
that's trying to bring
to the people the idea

591
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:57,220
of what's behind all this
degenerated housing and no jobs.

592
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,870
- [Steina] We didn't know that

593
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:03,580
the blacks were social underclass.

594
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:05,430
We had never encountered it.

595
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:09,840
We thought that they
were just fighting a war.

596
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,060
And also at the transfer
state were homosexuals.

597
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,660
We were not involved in the politics.

598
00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:18,497
We came out of communism,

599
00:33:18,497 --> 00:33:22,000
and the Black Panthers,
they adored communism.

600
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,220
So, we were not gonna be
anywhere close to that.

601
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:28,220
- And at this hearing today, I enjoyed--

602
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,810
- [Steina] Eldridge Cleaver
and that organization,

603
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:35,250
he was that time in Africa, just took

604
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:38,710
all the names that they
found radical softer,

605
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:42,320
because he understood
the power of the medium,

606
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,220
so we just got a letter like anybody else,

607
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:47,620
and we didn't take it seriously, either.

608
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:50,470
But we got an FBI agent to visit us

609
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:52,710
shortly after we got the letter.

610
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:56,180
It definitely was there,
because we had showed up

611
00:33:56,180 --> 00:33:59,832
on some list of dangerous people.

612
00:33:59,832 --> 00:34:01,380
We figured out, when he was leaving,

613
00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:06,380
that he had been sent by
FBI to find out who we were.

614
00:34:12,096 --> 00:34:14,513
(soft music)

615
00:34:15,786 --> 00:34:16,994
- [Announcer] Our first act tonight

616
00:34:16,994 --> 00:34:18,553
is gonna be our four
gorgeous Willow girls.

617
00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:21,305
- [Steina] Yeah, we were contacted by,

618
00:34:21,305 --> 00:34:26,305
really, it was the political
people, but pornographers,

619
00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:29,950
because that was something that

620
00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:34,023
was strictly forbidden,
and it was coming up.

621
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,100
It was sort of leaking
out on the environment.

622
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:42,910
There were people who were dying

623
00:34:42,910 --> 00:34:46,510
to do pornography, and
videos seemed to be sold

624
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:51,110
just for that, so they
contacted us, and hired Woody,

625
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:55,040
I wasn't involved in
shooting, to shoot a scene,

626
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
said they showing
something called Blue Dome.

627
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400
And Woody came home with three hours

628
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,400
of such boring stuff, or people
just showing their genitals.

629
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:07,953
And sure enough, they never came.

630
00:35:07,953 --> 00:35:12,020
They didn't even want to
look at what Woody had shot.

631
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:15,213
And we didn't get any money.

632
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:20,030
But out of that came in
the Sex Machine tape.

633
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:22,080
♪ Get up, get on up ♪

634
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,154
♪ Get up, get on up ♪

635
00:35:24,154 --> 00:35:25,967
♪ Stay on the scene, get on up, ♪

636
00:35:25,967 --> 00:35:28,797
♪ Like a sex machine, get on up ♪

637
00:35:28,797 --> 00:35:31,073
- And another tape called Adagio.

638
00:35:32,866 --> 00:35:36,199
(soft orchestral music)

639
00:35:38,352 --> 00:35:41,937
(device clicking)
(electricity whirring)

640
00:35:41,937 --> 00:35:44,854
(electronic music)

641
00:35:48,217 --> 00:35:50,530
Now, this tape is called The Evolution.

642
00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:53,950
And this is feedback, and the sound

643
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:57,143
was, then, generated from the image.

644
00:35:58,488 --> 00:36:00,840
- [Man] It was the first
time that I attempted

645
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,920
to make a composition in three parts,

646
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,760
kind of a triptych against slipping,

647
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,790
begging to the narrative structures.

648
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:10,010
And that particular piece contains

649
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:13,761
these most important components to me.

650
00:36:13,761 --> 00:36:16,390
It's just sound-image
exchange, image, sound,

651
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:18,350
control and the re-timing.

652
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:20,375
It's the hauling off adrift.

653
00:36:20,375 --> 00:36:22,638
(electronic music)

654
00:36:22,638 --> 00:36:25,150
(computer rattling)

655
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:26,561
- Yeah.

656
00:36:26,561 --> 00:36:30,644
(speaking in a foreign language)

657
00:36:50,387 --> 00:36:53,304
(electronic music)

658
00:36:58,278 --> 00:37:00,861
(violin music)

659
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,400
I was freelancing as a
violinist in New York

660
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,510
when Woody started bringing home

661
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:17,173
those toys from a place where he worked.

662
00:37:17,173 --> 00:37:20,590
(classical violin music)

663
00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:28,120
Violin power is kind
of our organic system.

664
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,120
You draw a bow on a string,
and you get a sound wave.

665
00:37:33,606 --> 00:37:36,870
(dissonant electronic music)

666
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:39,210
But once you are in the digital realm,

667
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:41,430
you have to define the frequency,

668
00:37:42,883 --> 00:37:47,883
you have to define the tone,
and it is all very restricted.

669
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,700
And the playfulness doesn't come

670
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,271
until you have written your score.

671
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:57,104
(violin and electronic music)

672
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:05,270
Ah, the violin.

673
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:07,108
Media violin, with five strings.

674
00:38:07,108 --> 00:38:07,941
(nose sniffling)

675
00:38:07,941 --> 00:38:12,165
So, five different channels
of media information.

676
00:38:12,165 --> 00:38:16,550
(violin and electronic music)

677
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:21,550
So, one can control speed,
another can control assignment

678
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:29,790
of films, and then assignments
of clip inside the film,

679
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,515
and so on and so forth.

680
00:38:32,515 --> 00:38:36,348
(violin and electronic music)

681
00:38:40,965 --> 00:38:45,927
(audience cheering and applauding)

682
00:38:45,927 --> 00:38:48,450
We got so many people visiting us home,

683
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:49,930
that they have no privacy left.

684
00:38:49,930 --> 00:38:51,750
So, we were already wondering about

685
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:53,480
if we could find a new
place, and there was

686
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,390
no place, there was no video theater.

687
00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:58,230
There were a couple,
but they were dedicated

688
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:59,630
to their kind of work, they were not

689
00:38:59,630 --> 00:39:01,853
open to other artists coming in.

690
00:39:02,786 --> 00:39:06,112
(engines and machines whirring)

691
00:39:06,112 --> 00:39:09,279
(soft, ambient music)

692
00:39:12,138 --> 00:39:13,540
I think I'm going in there.

693
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:15,877
- Yes, that's where I'm going.

694
00:39:15,877 --> 00:39:17,613
- [Steina] Hi.

695
00:39:17,613 --> 00:39:20,020
- Building a media theater, which we call,

696
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:23,440
it's an old kitchen in
the Mercer Playhouse.

697
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,610
It's called Mercer Media, or The Kitchen.

698
00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:28,660
It's 240 Mercer Street,
and we are building

699
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:33,270
a theater, media theater,
where we have already shown

700
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:35,740
some video tapes and media images.

701
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:39,451
- Steina and Woody Vasulka
created The Kitchen in 1971.

702
00:39:39,451 --> 00:39:42,520
They created it as a place
for video, but very shortly,

703
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,640
it became, as they called
it, a home for the homeless,

704
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,904
which meant artists across disciplines.

705
00:39:47,904 --> 00:39:51,280
- We would gather a lot of monitors.

706
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,070
And I think we did the first
thing like that already

707
00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:59,510
in 1970, at the end of the year.

708
00:39:59,510 --> 00:40:00,343
- Hello.

709
00:40:00,343 --> 00:40:02,970
I'm Tim Griffin, director here now.

710
00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:04,590
Such a pleasure and an honor.

711
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:05,423
How are you?
- I'm Steina.

712
00:40:05,423 --> 00:40:06,827
I was once director.

713
00:40:06,827 --> 00:40:07,660
- I know.

714
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:08,493
(chuckling)

715
00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:09,326
You are the original.

716
00:40:09,326 --> 00:40:11,263
- Who collected this, did you?

717
00:40:12,316 --> 00:40:14,966
- You know, I have some more
archival materials here.

718
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,073
- [Woody] The first show in

719
00:40:18,073 --> 00:40:20,480
Max's Kansas City Steak House upstairs.

720
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,579
If we could ask him, that's how we

721
00:40:21,579 --> 00:40:23,620
get this money, it's from him.

722
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,883
- [Steina] And when we
showed in Max's Kansas City,

723
00:40:28,540 --> 00:40:31,720
upstairs, and people would come,

724
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,550
and they would come in
gladly, and quite a lot

725
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:37,790
of them, not any tiny, little audiences.

726
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:40,700
And tons of marijuana.

727
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:43,740
And they would all sit on
the floor and be so stoned

728
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:46,453
they couldn't care less
what they were seeing.

729
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:51,800
- [Tim] How did you end up in
the location on Mercer Street?

730
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,320
- That was the third party we had.

731
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,040
It was Steina, Woody, and Andy Manek.

732
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,040
And it was just a space to
come and just look at it.

733
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,610
So, we came and look at it.

734
00:41:04,610 --> 00:41:06,890
Wow, we want this space.

735
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:10,233
There was no question
after we saw this space.

736
00:41:10,233 --> 00:41:11,990
(soft, ambient music)

737
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:14,660
- [Woody] And they got some money from

738
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:17,333
- State council, New York.
- State council.

739
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:21,143
- And plumpeted around this, basically,

740
00:41:21,143 --> 00:41:22,337
where they were prepaid.

741
00:41:22,337 --> 00:41:25,840
So, we didn't really have to
care for daily operations.

742
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,673
And that saved, basically,
our day-by-day performing.

743
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:32,397
- [Steina] We always had the idea with

744
00:41:32,397 --> 00:41:34,520
The Kitchen that we will share it.

745
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,720
We wouldn't be able to fill

746
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,290
it out anyhow just by our stuffs.

747
00:41:38,290 --> 00:41:40,830
We never invited anybody to perform here.

748
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:43,427
We never asked anybody
to do anything there.

749
00:41:43,427 --> 00:41:45,003
People came to us.

750
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,660
So, when The Kitchen was open,

751
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:51,150
they'd the fill the gap, an enormous gap.

752
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:55,283
And we had different events
every day of the week.

753
00:41:57,008 --> 00:42:00,175
(soft, ambient music)

754
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:07,060
We actually decided that
we didn't want to run it.

755
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:08,240
We never wanted to run it.

756
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,353
And we didn't run it, because
everybody was running it,

757
00:42:12,353 --> 00:42:14,680
and they were all volunteers

758
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,310
and hangers on, as you would say.

759
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:20,650
We just had this fun of meeting everybody

760
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:24,300
and being in the heart of
New York and everything.

761
00:42:26,193 --> 00:42:28,210
- [Man] See, right now, the
whole area is roped off.

762
00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:29,960
There are close to 100 firemen

763
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,720
on the scene, dozens of police.

764
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:33,993
- We had moved out a month before.

765
00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,403
The other theaters, they
collapsed with everything.

766
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:41,500
The building collapsed on an empty space

767
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:42,900
that used to be The Kitchen.

768
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,880
Then, it moved to the West Side.

769
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,020
Mostly, it's very good people

770
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:54,040
who took it over, and it was good.

771
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,890
And then, eventually, they had to have

772
00:42:55,890 --> 00:43:00,253
a Board of Directors, and it was all good.

773
00:43:00,253 --> 00:43:02,950
(cello music)

774
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:05,760
- [Tim] The Kitchen survived,
partly, because the base of it

775
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,880
really came to be how it was a hub

776
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,500
for artists of all striped,
beginning a lot with music,

777
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,850
Reese Chatham going into
electronic music, but soon,

778
00:43:15,850 --> 00:43:19,290
involving the likes of Phillip
Glass, Laurie Anderson.

779
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:21,460
- It was a very pioneering moment.

780
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:23,824
We worked on a lot of other peoples' work.

781
00:43:23,824 --> 00:43:25,413
♪ So you better get ready ♪

782
00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:27,315
♪ Ha ha ha ha ha ♪

783
00:43:27,315 --> 00:43:29,040
♪ Ready to go ♪

784
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,100
People would really help each other.

785
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:32,853
That's what I love about The Kitchen.

786
00:43:32,853 --> 00:43:33,686
(rock music)

787
00:43:33,686 --> 00:43:35,439
♪ Psycho killer ♪

788
00:43:35,439 --> 00:43:36,950
(singing in a foreign language)

789
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:38,780
- Talking Heads had
their first concert here.

790
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:39,980
Beastie Boys had one of their

791
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:42,430
first concerts here, Fab Five Freddy.

792
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:44,820
Cindy Sherman first showed her film stills

793
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:47,330
in New York in this location.

794
00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:49,940
Robert Mapplethorpe's first exhibition

795
00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:53,010
anywhere, institutionally,
took place at The Kitchen.

796
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:55,410
The Mapplethorpe show was
here, because no one else

797
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:58,940
would show it, and that's a
tradition that, maybe, we keep.

798
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:00,771
Raina, Steina, Steina, Raina.

799
00:44:00,771 --> 00:44:02,344
- Hi.
- Hi, Raina.

800
00:44:02,344 --> 00:44:03,177
(giggling)

801
00:44:03,177 --> 00:44:04,523
- [Tim] Next gen, first gen.

802
00:44:05,687 --> 00:44:06,630
(chuckling)

803
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:10,680
And that legacy, begun by
the Vasulkas, and which has

804
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,573
continued over the decades,
is palpable in this space.

805
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:20,380
- New York needs this kind of place.

806
00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:22,323
And things that are necessary survive.

807
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,072
- [Tim] Steina, do you know

808
00:44:24,072 --> 00:44:25,250
the 50th anniversary is coming up?

809
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:27,533
- [Steina] What, are we really that old?

810
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,830
- [Tim] If you're interested
in, and if you believe in,

811
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:34,910
electronic music and
composition, this is the place.

812
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:37,830
- And we were out of
it, and it's only lasted

813
00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:40,100
a few years, we were still in Buffalo

814
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:42,766
when everybody had forgotten us.

815
00:44:42,766 --> 00:44:44,260
And we were happy for that,

816
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:47,820
because we didn't want
them to remember us.

817
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:50,485
It was a different New
York than, wasn't it?

818
00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:53,318
- It'd a different New York, yeah.

819
00:44:55,932 --> 00:44:59,099
(soft, ambient music)

820
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,730
- [Woody] Okay, go in.

821
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:05,563
Right.

822
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:11,460
Okay, I will stop it down on, that's 5.8.

823
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:15,780
The time of the beginning,
which is our real occasion

824
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:20,780
from New York to Buffalo,
was strange, of course.

825
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,100
But planned coincidence, not by us,

826
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:28,623
by Jerry O'Grady, the conceptualist.

827
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,780
- [Steina] He was spying on
us, and he liked what he saw,

828
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:35,690
and gave us an offer of coming to Buffalo.

829
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:37,040
And, of course, we said no.

830
00:45:38,051 --> 00:45:41,430
And then, we said no again,
and no several times.

831
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:44,987
And he was persistent, so
eventually, we got to Buffalo.

832
00:45:44,987 --> 00:45:48,080
- Did you detect there
is any different policy

833
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,360
in your thinking about a frame?

834
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,010
- [Woody] So, he got us,
one by one, on various

835
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:59,020
search and survey abilities of us,

836
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:03,520
and he assembled, we would
call it, a unique group,

837
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,060
because somehow, we were
all in transitory position

838
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:09,040
from all the media we knew before.

839
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,140
- [Steina] But neither
of us has any inclination

840
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:15,513
for professorship, or interest.

841
00:46:16,883 --> 00:46:18,470
- Steina, I wish you had said that.

842
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:22,595
- So, we kind of said,
okay, we'll be professors.

843
00:46:22,595 --> 00:46:25,512
And we felt that we were just lost.

844
00:46:26,994 --> 00:46:29,363
That might be interesting, all right.

845
00:46:29,363 --> 00:46:30,821
That could an honor, especially if you

846
00:46:30,821 --> 00:46:32,725
expose the camera like that.

847
00:46:32,725 --> 00:46:34,664
This is so cute, you know?

848
00:46:34,664 --> 00:46:35,970
And then go around like that.

849
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:38,170
You would start from far away,

850
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:42,350
and you actually would see the
whole camera, at this stage.

851
00:46:42,350 --> 00:46:47,350
Buffalo was very good, because
it had all kinds of artistry.

852
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,587
It was good, and we liked it there.

853
00:46:50,587 --> 00:46:55,587
And we met everybody, more
so even than in New York.

854
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,593
Oh yeah, I make my tapes in Iceland.

855
00:46:57,593 --> 00:46:58,853
I am from there.

856
00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:01,610
I am born there.

857
00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:02,740
- [Woody] You're one of them.

858
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:03,780
- I'm one of them.

859
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:07,890
I am born there, I grew
up there until I was 17,

860
00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:10,460
and I go there for vacation.

861
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:14,290
And when I go there for
vacation, to see my family,

862
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:16,003
I also go picture gathering.

863
00:47:17,429 --> 00:47:19,600
Shall I show the pictures
I gathered there?

864
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,470
- [Woody] Indeed, indeed.

865
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:22,480
(device thudding)

866
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,580
Now, I go there with a portable camera.

867
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:28,500
I went to this spot, and I dropped acid.

868
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:32,700
So, when I saw this landscape,
it was very magical.

869
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:37,350
And then, I came back a day
later with my portable camera,

870
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:41,300
and I taped it, and the tape didn't show

871
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:43,630
what I thought I had seen there.

872
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:46,820
But then, when I worked with it at home,

873
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:51,820
I felt I brought back some
of this halogenic qualities

874
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,361
that I had experienced there,
and it has sounds, too.

875
00:47:57,361 --> 00:48:00,444
(distortion blaring)

876
00:48:02,018 --> 00:48:03,017
- Come, we need to hurry up.
- One, two, three.

877
00:48:03,017 --> 00:48:06,576
- [Steina] And then, we had
this teaching, and we had

878
00:48:06,576 --> 00:48:08,420
quite brilliant students,
and quite a few of them.

879
00:48:09,709 --> 00:48:10,542
- It's dark.

880
00:48:10,542 --> 00:48:11,710
It's really not where you
see, it's a little bit ill.

881
00:48:12,769 --> 00:48:13,921
Oh, okay.

882
00:48:13,921 --> 00:48:18,800
- [Steina] Especially one, who
built a whole device for us,

883
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,357
and is still a very good friend.

884
00:48:20,357 --> 00:48:22,770
And in the summer of 1978, we decided

885
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:25,100
to build a digital image tool.

886
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:28,240
Jeffrey took the challenge
to design such a tool,

887
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,890
which took 18 months from its
inception to where it is now.

888
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:36,240
Some 20,000 connections were
wired by Woody, and the device

889
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,670
expanded from the planned
four boards to eight.

890
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:41,440
And this is the device.

891
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,940
If just one bit of information is used,

892
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:46,863
we get only two densities, on and off.

893
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,040
Two bits give us four slices,

894
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,068
three bits, eight, and four, 16 densities.

895
00:48:54,068 --> 00:48:56,150
(static buzzing)

896
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:59,019
- And if it turns out that,
when you mix arithmetic

897
00:48:59,019 --> 00:49:01,690
and Bouillon logical functions,

898
00:49:01,690 --> 00:49:02,880
the patterns become more interesting

899
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,740
than just logical and arithmetic alone.

900
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:07,660
- We have connected this video signal

901
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:10,140
with a sound synthesizer,
which is right here.

902
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:12,720
- [Steina] Video was very
difficult and very challenging

903
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,400
in the beginning, and we
just needed each other.

904
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,233
- By interrupting or changing
the video level here,

905
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:24,420
we can induce the modulation
of this sound synthesizer.

906
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:27,400
And then, it can, of
course, change the pitch.

907
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,820
- [Steina] And it was very
often the collaboration

908
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:33,250
was rather that Woody set
up something, and then

909
00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:36,660
he would walk away, and I
would go and play with it.

910
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:38,770
So, we are very, very different

911
00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:41,227
in the way we approach the material.

912
00:49:41,227 --> 00:49:42,405
- And in that sense, it's like

913
00:49:42,405 --> 00:49:45,880
a very primitive electronic organism.

914
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,040
It can live on its own,
and it can stay alive

915
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040
as long as we don't cut the electricity.

916
00:49:52,417 --> 00:49:53,250
(soft, ambient music)

917
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:54,083
- [Steina] Yeah, you are visible

918
00:49:54,083 --> 00:49:57,360
in the frame, also, but that's okay.

919
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,870
And we were all innovative in our ways.

920
00:49:59,870 --> 00:50:01,620
I mean, there was a rush.

921
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:03,840
So lot of people thought
that they were gonna

922
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,350
save the world, or at least
challenge commercial television.

923
00:50:08,350 --> 00:50:10,383
And then, they would look at our stuff,

924
00:50:11,263 --> 00:50:13,663
and they would say, but
you are just playing.

925
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,371
And I understood that that
was a great compliment.

926
00:50:17,371 --> 00:50:19,087
What I think,

927
00:50:19,087 --> 00:50:21,138
- [Woody] Why don't you scan me, Steina.

928
00:50:21,138 --> 00:50:23,333
Scan me, and I'm just gonna shoot.

929
00:50:23,333 --> 00:50:24,780
- [Steina] But I'm also
trying to get the progress.

930
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:27,393
- First of all, let me get you up.

931
00:50:28,412 --> 00:50:29,912
It is softer, hmm.

932
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,650
- Woody, this was so beauty.

933
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:35,150
You didn't even notice
what I was doing, huh?

934
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:36,460
- [Woody] No, what was doing?

935
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:38,178
- I lighted the cigarette.

936
00:50:38,178 --> 00:50:39,356
- I saw that.

937
00:50:39,356 --> 00:50:40,740
- Yeah, but then I throw the smoke,

938
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:43,676
and instead of having
it finished, you started

939
00:50:43,676 --> 00:50:45,055
(humming)

940
00:50:45,055 --> 00:50:46,110
- [Woody] Okay, do it again.

941
00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:49,470
- And then, when people said,
but are you gonna show it?

942
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:50,303
Sure, we show it.

943
00:50:50,303 --> 00:50:52,640
It'll be showed up somewhere

944
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,261
with monitors, and we showed it.

945
00:50:56,261 --> 00:50:57,893
So, we should try this lens

946
00:50:57,893 --> 00:50:58,726
here now.
- Okay, please,

947
00:50:58,726 --> 00:50:59,559
just put it on.

948
00:51:08,037 --> 00:51:10,787
(static buzzing)

949
00:51:15,340 --> 00:51:17,470
- [Steina] So, we had a very good time.

950
00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:19,753
But the snow was unbearable.

951
00:51:22,027 --> 00:51:24,890
(soft, ambient music)

952
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:27,560
So, when Woody got a Guggenheim grant,

953
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,693
we just said, let's go to Santa Fe.

954
00:51:32,082 --> 00:51:34,832
(engine humming)

955
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:50,717
So, this is room number one.

956
00:51:52,139 --> 00:51:53,513
In here.

957
00:51:53,513 --> 00:51:54,860
Full of junk, of course.

958
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:56,903
So, this is our window outside.

959
00:51:58,616 --> 00:51:59,449
And this is our yard.

960
00:51:59,449 --> 00:52:00,913
What are you cooking, love?

961
00:52:02,060 --> 00:52:03,520
- Dumb question.

962
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,543
- [Steina] Cauliflower.

963
00:52:05,526 --> 00:52:07,020
- [Woody] Making salad, honey, salad.

964
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:11,390
- [Steina] For us, after
this Buffalo, was the sun.

965
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:14,630
That you over 300 days of sunlight

966
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:18,180
a year, it's a new luxury.

967
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:19,970
And then, there were these landscape

968
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:22,159
that made me into landscape artist.

969
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:23,980
(gravel crunching)

970
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:26,800
(camera rattling)

971
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,650
It's such a cliche to
move to the Southwest

972
00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:31,787
and become a landscape artist.

973
00:52:31,787 --> 00:52:33,100
It was just too much.

974
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:36,040
But of course, I got
seduced, like anybody else.

975
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,570
There was a solution,
and the solution for me

976
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:42,950
was to take just a part of it,

977
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:45,550
take the texture, take some details,

978
00:52:45,550 --> 00:52:48,107
and farm them out of notable images.

979
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,367
(soft, ambient music)

980
00:52:54,425 --> 00:52:58,040
That we are just Vasulkas, but we don't do

981
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,532
even things similar to each other.

982
00:53:00,532 --> 00:53:02,400
So, we are very, very different

983
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,323
in the way we approach the material.

984
00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:09,000
This idea that I be Steina is much more

985
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,100
to do that I'm Icelandic.

986
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,230
I just looked always at this
name, Vasulka, perfectly nice

987
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:17,517
name, and I said, I have
nothing to do with this name.

988
00:53:20,295 --> 00:53:23,332
- It feels like I'm right into it.

989
00:53:23,332 --> 00:53:24,800
Like it's bringing me in there.

990
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,200
And is that the sort of effect

991
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,043
which you're trying to grasp there?

992
00:53:31,575 --> 00:53:32,408
- No, uh-huh.

993
00:53:32,408 --> 00:53:36,750
Well, this is an installation
that I did of all vision.

994
00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:39,099
If you look at the thing here,

995
00:53:39,099 --> 00:53:44,010
theoretically, each camera
should take 180 degrees,

996
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:46,570
and together, they should
become 360 degrees.

997
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:48,949
It's total surveillance.

998
00:53:48,949 --> 00:53:51,699
(engine humming)

999
00:54:02,660 --> 00:54:03,813
Okay?
- Stopping.

1000
00:54:08,844 --> 00:54:10,250
- [Steina] It is fabulous.

1001
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:12,760
- Yeah, it's absolutely fabulous.

1002
00:54:14,157 --> 00:54:16,417
But of course, you should see it on top

1003
00:54:17,264 --> 00:54:18,170
of the sky.
- Yeah, but

1004
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:21,123
do you think you found this
place, or I found this place?

1005
00:54:22,188 --> 00:54:24,590
(soft, ambient music)

1006
00:54:24,590 --> 00:54:28,860
Out of Memory was to
separate dramatic space

1007
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:33,290
by certain physicality of
a syntax, of a barrier.

1008
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:36,680
But then, I failed in constructing
that barrier properly.

1009
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,620
It became like edit,
cut between the scenes,

1010
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:41,740
but it wasn't meant that way.

1011
00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:44,910
It was meant to have a
third element in between,

1012
00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:49,230
like a solid dramatic syntax.

1013
00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:52,650
And that means I only went halfway

1014
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:55,123
through my personal assignment.

1015
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:59,063
(distortion blaring)

1016
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,130
But again, it was more a personal work,

1017
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,770
because it incorporates the only time

1018
00:55:11,770 --> 00:55:14,510
I've ever looked back at history

1019
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:19,510
and my kind of direct life during the war.

1020
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:23,350
This is some of the footage
I recall, still remember,

1021
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:28,350
as a scene in the movie
house during the Nazi era.

1022
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,420
But it was also very disturbing, because

1023
00:55:32,420 --> 00:55:35,653
the first time I realize how a century,

1024
00:55:36,593 --> 00:55:38,567
how bloody this century was.

1025
00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:42,880
And I was also trying to find
some responsibility in that,

1026
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,680
and who carried the responsibility.

1027
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,523
And I found it beyond the human dimension.

1028
00:55:53,112 --> 00:55:55,989
(birds chirping)

1029
00:55:55,989 --> 00:55:58,642
(soft, ambient music)

1030
00:55:58,642 --> 00:56:01,442
(coffee beans clinking)

1031
00:56:01,442 --> 00:56:04,590
(grinder whirring)

1032
00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:07,340
- [Steina] It's totally
miraculous that he could stay

1033
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:09,960
out of employment all those years.

1034
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,790
Woody was employed at the
Buffalo University for six years.

1035
00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:18,663
Hated it, knew that he
had to get out of there.

1036
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:24,717
We just have always manage,
and we apply for this and that.

1037
00:56:24,717 --> 00:56:28,420
And for some reason, we
would go down and we would go

1038
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:32,180
into debt, and then, we would
make it out of the debt.

1039
00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:35,930
And we got fellowships,
and we've just been

1040
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:38,390
enormously lucky in that sense.

1041
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:39,710
But that's over.

1042
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:42,610
We knew it was over, we were facing

1043
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:46,142
old age with Social Security.

1044
00:56:46,142 --> 00:56:49,309
(soft, ambient music)

1045
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:54,930
I've always had it in our minds

1046
00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:58,070
that this house would be worth something.

1047
00:56:58,070 --> 00:57:03,070
So, we started looking into
this legendary reverse mortgage.

1048
00:57:05,228 --> 00:57:07,590
(electricity softly humming)

1049
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:09,320
It happened, I think, twice,

1050
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,180
or maybe three times, different banks.

1051
00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:15,743
And they would come
in, and they would say,

1052
00:57:16,852 --> 00:57:18,302
there are no walk-in closets.

1053
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,193
You sell houses because
there's a walk-in closet there.

1054
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:29,610
Then, there was the bathroom.

1055
00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:31,380
Whoever bought this house would have

1056
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:34,120
to totally demolish this bathroom,

1057
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:39,120
and build it nicely, and hopefully
get a whirlpool in there.

1058
00:57:41,350 --> 00:57:43,972
So, I was disqualified.

1059
00:57:43,972 --> 00:57:47,139
(soft, ambient music)

1060
00:57:50,906 --> 00:57:54,239
(soft electronic music)

1061
00:57:59,030 --> 00:58:02,733
I'll look into it, but we
are so far out of it now.

1062
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:04,533
- Yeah.
- We just sit in front

1063
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:08,400
of the computer those
days, we don't do anything.

1064
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,010
That we were being shown less and less,

1065
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:14,740
and finally, it basically stopped.

1066
00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:16,760
- [Man] Focus on the important stuff.

1067
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,120
- Yeah, right.

1068
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,130
Like dying.

1069
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:21,521
Dying is a very important stuff.

1070
00:58:21,521 --> 00:58:23,660
(chuckling)

1071
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:28,289
It's a project that very few
people dare tackle, you know.

1072
00:58:28,289 --> 00:58:29,330
- [Man] That was it, Steina.

1073
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:32,610
Be well, and I'll catch you
down the road somewhere.

1074
00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:34,410
- [Steina] Excellent.

1075
00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:37,111
I had to decide it like a project,

1076
00:58:37,111 --> 00:58:38,170
everything was a project.

1077
00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:43,170
So, that project was to die
a million dollars in debt.

1078
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,770
And there was nothing
anybody could do about it.

1079
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:50,743
We were just dead, both of us,

1080
00:58:50,743 --> 00:58:54,720
and there million dollars
owed to various banks.

1081
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,010
And I would always use one
card to pay for the next card,

1082
00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:03,720
and then another card to pay
for that card, and so on.

1083
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:04,940
Juggling.

1084
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:07,120
And I slowly, then, paid them all off,

1085
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,740
so I was kind of good that way.

1086
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:13,363
But there was just zero money in the bank.

1087
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,720
Doris is gonna give you an interview.

1088
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,030
- Oh, Doris, you give me an interview.

1089
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:22,876
That wasn't meant to be.
- Yeah, but change the roles.

1090
00:59:22,876 --> 00:59:24,040
- Okay.

1091
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,742
I'd love that.

1092
00:59:25,742 --> 00:59:26,660
(chuckling)

1093
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:28,010
Panic.

1094
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:30,698
- [Steina] That's gonna be ci-pan.

1095
00:59:30,698 --> 00:59:32,311
(chuckling)

1096
00:59:32,311 --> 00:59:33,530
Say it backwards.

1097
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:35,110
Doris herself, she said,

1098
00:59:35,110 --> 00:59:38,320
- Pan-pan.
- What do you call this piece?

1099
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,171
And I said, Lilith.

1100
00:59:39,171 --> 00:59:41,668
(shrieking)

1101
00:59:41,668 --> 00:59:43,063
(soft, ambient music)

1102
00:59:43,063 --> 00:59:46,146
(distortion blaring)

1103
00:59:50,452 --> 00:59:53,080
And she didn't know Lilith,
because she was Jewish.

1104
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,330
Didn't know the legend of Lilith.

1105
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,210
So then, she calls me
back, because she was

1106
00:59:58,210 --> 01:00:03,210
a dictionary freak, you know,
and says, you are a witch.

1107
01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:06,680
And I said, no, no, no,
Doris, I'm not a witch.

1108
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,273
You are the witch.

1109
01:00:08,273 --> 01:00:09,281
(chuckling)

1110
01:00:09,281 --> 01:00:12,364
(distortion blaring)

1111
01:00:15,123 --> 01:00:17,937
(soft, ambient music)

1112
01:00:17,937 --> 01:00:20,687
(engine humming)

1113
01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:28,140
- So, this was like a second home for me.

1114
01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:32,460
I would go and get what
I could, but by now,

1115
01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:35,750
it's so much that one kind of loses

1116
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:39,330
this kind of control over this life.

1117
01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:41,953
Hey, do you want something like that?

1118
01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:47,360
But anyway, this was my foraging area.

1119
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,840
I would just recall the late
60s where, in New York City,

1120
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,630
the great resource for
a generation of artists

1121
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:06,510
working with technology at
that time was Canal Street.

1122
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:09,480
And Canal Street was this junkyard,

1123
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,810
a technological junkyard of New York City.

1124
01:01:11,810 --> 01:01:14,943
See, this is a beautiful
turning turntable.

1125
01:01:14,943 --> 01:01:17,300
(metal clanging and creaking)

1126
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:18,653
It's the right radar.

1127
01:01:21,554 --> 01:01:23,950
- There is surplus, especially
the military surplus,

1128
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:27,570
which is very generous, because
military has large budget,

1129
01:01:27,570 --> 01:01:29,800
so when they are through with
a project, they throw it out.

1130
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,000
It's like another grant.

1131
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:34,520
Look at this.

1132
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,235
It's the same thing we have at home.

1133
01:01:38,235 --> 01:01:40,160
But I can have it for 10.

1134
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,670
Yeah, then you just put it on a table,

1135
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:46,047
and you look, and you see the images.

1136
01:01:46,047 --> 01:01:47,480
(lock clanging)

1137
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,313
Okay.

1138
01:01:52,175 --> 01:01:56,100
There are six or so installations
called The Brotherhood.

1139
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,850
They always are of some of the stuff

1140
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:03,630
that he got from these surpluses

1141
01:02:03,630 --> 01:02:07,230
that he has collected over
a long period of time.

1142
01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:09,340
And they all take space.

1143
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:11,119
- Can I go straight?

1144
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,011
(soft, ambient music)

1145
01:02:14,011 --> 01:02:17,261
(contraption whirring)

1146
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:20,383
- [Steina] Start from here, Woody.

1147
01:02:21,707 --> 01:02:25,630
(alarm softly blaring)

1148
01:02:25,630 --> 01:02:27,130
- Maybe I can start from here.

1149
01:02:30,174 --> 01:02:31,769
This is overhead.

1150
01:02:31,769 --> 01:02:33,790
(electronic music)

1151
01:02:33,790 --> 01:02:37,173
(machine rattling)

1152
01:02:37,173 --> 01:02:39,923
(woman chanting)

1153
01:02:42,297 --> 01:02:44,020
I like the sound.

1154
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:47,553
Okay, so let's see what
the sounds like, sound.

1155
01:02:51,267 --> 01:02:55,517
(metal clanging and reverberating)

1156
01:02:57,820 --> 01:02:59,150
- It's interesting about Woody.

1157
01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:02,430
He had no problem in explaining.

1158
01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:05,883
But in this explanation was
also lack of vocabulary.

1159
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,650
And he just started making
sentences, and so it started.

1160
01:03:10,650 --> 01:03:13,390
And I realized that this thing called

1161
01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:18,330
speaking in tongues
was a known phenomenon.

1162
01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:19,930
- Speech into an

1163
01:03:21,136 --> 01:03:24,303
(speaking in tongues)

1164
01:03:27,148 --> 01:03:29,398
(scatting)

1165
01:03:40,336 --> 01:03:43,086
(humming softly)

1166
01:03:47,819 --> 01:03:51,373
Didn't lick it, that's what it is.

1167
01:03:51,373 --> 01:03:54,540
(soft, ambient music)

1168
01:03:57,826 --> 01:04:01,034
(computer beeping)

1169
01:04:01,034 --> 01:04:04,034
(dial tone ringing)

1170
01:04:05,090 --> 01:04:06,266
- [Woman] Hi.

1171
01:04:06,266 --> 01:04:10,349
(speaking in a foreign language)

1172
01:04:12,453 --> 01:04:15,453
(machine whirring)

1173
01:04:19,164 --> 01:04:20,630
- You are frozen.

1174
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:21,773
- Hey.

1175
01:04:21,773 --> 01:04:22,927
(speaking in a foreign language)

1176
01:04:22,927 --> 01:04:24,360
(laughing)

1177
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,360
Kristin Scheving is the lady who found me.

1178
01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:33,570
She was studying in Strasbourg,

1179
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:35,440
was getting very bored there.

1180
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:36,890
She wanted to see something,

1181
01:04:36,890 --> 01:04:39,253
and she knew that I was just across.

1182
01:04:41,621 --> 01:04:43,960
(soft, ambient music)

1183
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,750
- And then, I walk into Borealis,

1184
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:47,510
this famous Borealis.

1185
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:51,440
And I didn't know Steina, and
I didn't anything about it,

1186
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,660
but I accept that probably, I don't know,

1187
01:04:53,660 --> 01:04:55,620
in my mind, I was there for a whole hour,

1188
01:04:55,620 --> 01:04:57,480
and I was so homesick.

1189
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,237
And it's a beautiful work.

1190
01:04:59,237 --> 01:05:01,733
And I was like, this
is just Iceland for me.

1191
01:05:01,733 --> 01:05:03,749
And then, I start to read about this lady.

1192
01:05:03,749 --> 01:05:06,523
And I was really interested,

1193
01:05:06,523 --> 01:05:08,549
and I was like, she's Icelandic.

1194
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:11,308
This must have been filmed in Iceland.

1195
01:05:11,308 --> 01:05:13,308
So, I connected totally.

1196
01:05:14,332 --> 01:05:16,181
And I started to write to Steina.

1197
01:05:16,181 --> 01:05:17,596
Student, like a young,

1198
01:05:17,596 --> 01:05:19,646
I don't know, 22-year old.
- Good for you.

1199
01:05:19,646 --> 01:05:23,535
- And she answered me, which
is so sweet and beautiful.

1200
01:05:23,535 --> 01:05:25,243
- [Steina] Now, this
is the optical device.

1201
01:05:25,243 --> 01:05:29,710
This just screws on to the lens.

1202
01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:30,950
And now that I take it off, you see

1203
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:35,950
it is just a glass tube with
a half-sphere mirror in it.

1204
01:05:47,102 --> 01:05:49,760
(engine humming)

1205
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,213
How did you get this picture?

1206
01:05:52,183 --> 01:05:57,170
- Oh, this picture was
complete by accident, you see?

1207
01:05:57,170 --> 01:06:01,507
I came here, and pushed
this button, you know.

1208
01:06:01,507 --> 01:06:03,017
- [Steina] No, don't push it.

1209
01:06:03,017 --> 01:06:07,600
- And then, it was a man like me.

1210
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,400
This would be good to record it,

1211
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,133
and anybody who comes when I'm dead.

1212
01:06:15,246 --> 01:06:20,246
And I would make it that
they talk to the person.

1213
01:06:21,968 --> 01:06:25,257
Or, you came here, and then I mean,

1214
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:31,510
I know who you are, but
I didn't know it all.

1215
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:33,372
Because I'll be dead.

1216
01:06:33,372 --> 01:06:34,880
(giggling)

1217
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,313
- [Steina] Go take a shower.

1218
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:40,083
- I'm an enigma to myself,

1219
01:06:42,970 --> 01:06:45,373
because I have these two versions.

1220
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:50,170
One is me, and other
to looking at the sky.

1221
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,303
And, am I real or not?

1222
01:06:57,170 --> 01:07:01,793
Am I myself, or just pretending?

1223
01:07:03,356 --> 01:07:04,831
(water splashing)
(groaning)

1224
01:07:04,831 --> 01:07:07,133
(chuckling)

1225
01:07:07,133 --> 01:07:08,329
Oh, God, it is cold.

1226
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:09,162
It's cold.

1227
01:07:10,223 --> 01:07:11,056
Steina.

1228
01:07:11,987 --> 01:07:13,070
It is so hot.

1229
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:15,612
- [Steina] Just put it into--

1230
01:07:15,612 --> 01:07:17,004
- You have to do it.

1231
01:07:17,004 --> 01:07:17,986
- [Steina] Ah.

1232
01:07:17,986 --> 01:07:19,055
- Jesus Christ.

1233
01:07:19,055 --> 01:07:20,805
I'm naked and stupid.

1234
01:07:22,210 --> 01:07:24,866
You have to go to the eye doctor.

1235
01:07:24,866 --> 01:07:26,020
- Eye doctor?

1236
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:26,853
- Right now.

1237
01:07:27,855 --> 01:07:28,688
- What?
- Right now.

1238
01:07:28,688 --> 01:07:29,680
It won't take long.

1239
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,220
Yeah, you look great.

1240
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:32,536
- Can I be just like that, yeah?

1241
01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:33,369
- Yeah.

1242
01:07:33,369 --> 01:07:34,202
I'll start up the car.

1243
01:07:34,202 --> 01:07:35,573
- Because I need,

1244
01:07:39,357 --> 01:07:40,890
(speaking in a foreign language)

1245
01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:44,869
No, I need my eyes, my goodness.

1246
01:07:44,869 --> 01:07:46,940
- So go and get them, hell, you can see.

1247
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:48,347
Looks amazing.

1248
01:07:48,347 --> 01:07:49,764
- And we will go.

1249
01:07:51,543 --> 01:07:54,293
(engine humming)

1250
01:08:02,028 --> 01:08:04,611
(car clanking)

1251
01:08:06,299 --> 01:08:07,390
- [Steina] Police.

1252
01:08:07,390 --> 01:08:09,945
(groaning)

1253
01:08:09,945 --> 01:08:11,567
Ah, Woody.

1254
01:08:11,567 --> 01:08:12,400
- What's happened?

1255
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,898
- He had something better to do.

1256
01:08:14,898 --> 01:08:16,481
What was the hurry?

1257
01:08:18,486 --> 01:08:19,319
Yes.

1258
01:08:20,722 --> 01:08:21,639
We make it.

1259
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:30,340
- Woody the thing was,
in order to open the door

1260
01:08:30,340 --> 01:08:33,273
with the tape, we talked about the tanks.

1261
01:08:34,230 --> 01:08:37,970
So, they sent me that saying
yes, that we want to do a show,

1262
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:42,970
that doing a show with Woody
and Steina in a priority.

1263
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:45,040
- [Steina] Okay.

1264
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,410
- Okay, so--
- They really said that?

1265
01:08:47,410 --> 01:08:48,520
- They also confirmed--

1266
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,693
- [Woody] They all lie in
the same way, you know.

1267
01:08:50,693 --> 01:08:52,730
- That they will come to Le Frenoir

1268
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,450
while we're there to
work with us on the show.

1269
01:08:57,450 --> 01:09:00,432
And they have their own ideas
of what they want to do, too.

1270
01:09:00,432 --> 01:09:01,270
- That's terrible.
- It's not just what we

1271
01:09:01,270 --> 01:09:03,740
proposed, they want to
discuss all of this.

1272
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:04,610
- [Steina] This is, of course,

1273
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:06,830
always the problem with those curators.

1274
01:09:06,830 --> 01:09:08,780
They have their own ideas.

1275
01:09:08,780 --> 01:09:09,613
- [Man] Yeah.

1276
01:09:09,613 --> 01:09:10,446
- Yes.

1277
01:09:10,446 --> 01:09:11,350
- [Woody] We could start right now,

1278
01:09:11,350 --> 01:09:12,647
because we have so much material.

1279
01:09:12,647 --> 01:09:16,330
- And I met them virtually
through Jerry O'Grady

1280
01:09:16,330 --> 01:09:18,030
at Media Study Buffalo.

1281
01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:20,190
And we talked, and he said, you've got

1282
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:21,980
to get in touch with the Vasulkas.

1283
01:09:21,980 --> 01:09:23,470
So, that's what I did.

1284
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:25,550
Because I was going to Paris the same year

1285
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:27,100
they were creating the Kitchen.

1286
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,550
So, all the tape that I showed in Paris

1287
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:33,640
through all those years,
I got from Steina.

1288
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,750
But it took me a while
to get the work itself,

1289
01:09:35,750 --> 01:09:38,940
because I was used to
looking at experimental film

1290
01:09:38,940 --> 01:09:42,150
and video as a thing in itself,

1291
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:44,610
without really taking into consideration

1292
01:09:44,610 --> 01:09:46,360
the whole process that produced it.

1293
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,990
And what the Vasulkas do is
make you think of the process,

1294
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:53,070
and by making you focus on the process,

1295
01:09:53,070 --> 01:09:54,800
they're actually making you look at

1296
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,250
the whole communication system,

1297
01:09:57,250 --> 01:10:00,930
and the implications of
the communication system.

1298
01:10:00,930 --> 01:10:03,130
And that's why I think
they're so important.

1299
01:10:04,897 --> 01:10:08,640
'Cause they were actually
investigating, as Woody said

1300
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,440
many times, the artistic
potential of the tools,

1301
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:14,573
and inventing tools when they needed to.

1302
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:18,370
And that was extremely Important,

1303
01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:19,630
because that was an introduction

1304
01:10:19,630 --> 01:10:23,180
to a whole new way of communicating

1305
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:26,140
that's become very
dominant in our society.

1306
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:27,180
I'll get back in touch with you

1307
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:28,920
when I get back from London, then.

1308
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,460
- Okay, and bring good news, but not

1309
01:10:32,817 --> 01:10:36,240
too much work, and not no money, you know?

1310
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,470
- [Don] No, there's work
until the money comes in.

1311
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:40,702
Don't worry about it,
there's nothing to prepare.

1312
01:10:40,702 --> 01:10:41,535
(chuckling)

1313
01:10:41,535 --> 01:10:42,480
- Okay, bye-bye Don.

1314
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:43,629
- Okay.

1315
01:10:43,629 --> 01:10:44,543
That'd be nice.

1316
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:47,670
She does know I have to
beg for money from Steina.

1317
01:10:47,670 --> 01:10:50,049
He really doesn't know that.

1318
01:10:50,049 --> 01:10:51,886
He thinks I'm a boss.

1319
01:10:51,886 --> 01:10:54,803
(soft piano music)

1320
01:11:08,158 --> 01:11:12,241
(speaking in a foreign language)

1321
01:11:59,833 --> 01:12:02,166
(chuckling)

1322
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,230
- And slowly, the word was leaking out

1323
01:12:25,230 --> 01:12:27,793
that we had enormous archives,

1324
01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:33,770
and we had the archives
of the early video,

1325
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:38,770
which is now seen as
historical and important.

1326
01:12:39,049 --> 01:12:42,132
(distortion blaring)

1327
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,500
Our dear colleague, Stan Brakhage, dies

1328
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:52,280
and all his collection is
going to the Boulder archives.

1329
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,550
So, there is a suggestion
from the Boulder people

1330
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:58,530
that they have not only
Stan, but other people.

1331
01:12:58,530 --> 01:13:02,810
- [Man] The aesthetics of video
influencing your own work.

1332
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:03,890
Let's try that.

1333
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:06,360
- Well, it influenced my own ego

1334
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,190
in a very certain manner.

1335
01:13:09,190 --> 01:13:10,331
Like,

1336
01:13:10,331 --> 01:13:12,563
(static buzzing)

1337
01:13:12,563 --> 01:13:14,813
(laughing)

1338
01:13:16,236 --> 01:13:18,150
We were just, in
retrospect now, I realize,

1339
01:13:18,150 --> 01:13:23,150
we were just there in an alternate
reality, up on 3rd floor.

1340
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,980
And one day, there, in the evening,

1341
01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:32,304
when Woody came home from
work, honey, I'm home.

1342
01:13:32,304 --> 01:13:33,137
(audience chuckling)

1343
01:13:33,137 --> 01:13:34,097
And I was there,

1344
01:13:34,097 --> 01:13:34,940
(speaking in a foreign language)

1345
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:37,130
supposed to have a hot meal.

1346
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:39,440
I said, I have a hot tape for you.

1347
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,810
We made another one this afternoon.

1348
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:44,670
And in a very short time, Woody said,

1349
01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:48,030
I can't stand this, I quit work.

1350
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:50,860
And so, now we were there, both of us,

1351
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:53,410
happy in our little cocoon, and no income,

1352
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:55,603
and that's how it has been since.

1353
01:13:56,940 --> 01:13:58,562
Sound loud.

1354
01:13:58,562 --> 01:14:03,562
("California Dreamin'" by
The Mamas and the Papas)

1355
01:14:15,179 --> 01:14:16,830
But they were focused on winners,

1356
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:20,093
because we got our tapes transferred.

1357
01:14:23,244 --> 01:14:26,411
(audience applauding)

1358
01:14:27,275 --> 01:14:30,025
- [Woman] Welcome into video art.

1359
01:14:36,190 --> 01:14:39,357
(soft, ambient music)

1360
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:45,849
- I don't know how they
decided to have a Vasulka

1361
01:14:45,849 --> 01:14:47,640
(speaking in a foreign language)

1362
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,240
I'm not in on that story, I just know

1363
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,660
it was certainly there,
and we were invited

1364
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:56,320
like everybody else, and all
our friends were showing up,

1365
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,850
because Kristin had gotten some money

1366
01:14:58,850 --> 01:15:01,916
and invited everybody to fly to Iceland.

1367
01:15:01,916 --> 01:15:05,083
(soft, ambient music)

1368
01:15:08,941 --> 01:15:13,024
(speaking in a foreign language)

1369
01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:23,003
And there was a big,
beautiful exhibition there.

1370
01:15:31,620 --> 01:15:33,520
- [Don] Is that Buffalo, that picture?

1371
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,353
- Yeah, this is Buffalo.

1372
01:15:34,353 --> 01:15:35,440
- That's what I thought.

1373
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,040
I thought I recognized that.

1374
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,737
- [Woody] Young happy couple.

1375
01:15:38,737 --> 01:15:41,273
(chuckling)

1376
01:15:41,273 --> 01:15:43,918
We were still having sex, you know?

1377
01:15:43,918 --> 01:15:47,085
(soft, ambient music)

1378
01:15:51,623 --> 01:15:55,150
- [Steina] Kristin says,
everybody wants to get big prints,

1379
01:15:55,150 --> 01:15:58,807
and I cannot handle this
anymore, I am not a sales person.

1380
01:15:58,807 --> 01:16:01,963
I cannot deal with that,
we have to find a dealer.

1381
01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:07,460
So, we went to see a dealer,
and it was just a dealer.

1382
01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:09,780
Nice people, but they were into prinkling

1383
01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:13,360
and into hanging pictures
on walls, and everything.

1384
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,410
We walk out of there, and
she said, there's a lady

1385
01:16:16,410 --> 01:16:19,750
gonna come here, and she
wants to be a dealer.

1386
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:24,180
And I said, goddamn, spare me from this.

1387
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:25,935
And she walks in.

1388
01:16:25,935 --> 01:16:30,018
(speaking in a foreign language)

1389
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:44,510
And that her husband is a
pianist, plays every day.

1390
01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:46,950
And that was the moment I
knew these were good people.

1391
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:51,950
But I let her talk for 15
more minutes time to tell me.

1392
01:16:53,690 --> 01:16:56,270
She was trying to push this idea

1393
01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:58,278
that she could be our dealer.

1394
01:16:58,278 --> 01:17:02,361
(speaking in a foreign language)

1395
01:17:12,289 --> 01:17:15,456
(soft, ambient music)

1396
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,600
And I knew that she would be our dealer.

1397
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,570
So, since then, we have
financially been okay.

1398
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:27,757
More than okay.

1399
01:17:27,757 --> 01:17:30,360
And they are great people,
and we are connected

1400
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,700
to Iceland, and it's one of
these happy endings, you know.

1401
01:17:36,727 --> 01:17:37,823
(groaning)

1402
01:17:37,823 --> 01:17:39,353
- [Woody] Put it in.

1403
01:17:39,353 --> 01:17:43,436
(speaking in a foreign language)

1404
01:17:44,529 --> 01:17:45,723
This one.
- This one, I like.

1405
01:17:45,723 --> 01:17:46,556
It's a beautiful one.

1406
01:17:46,556 --> 01:17:47,389
- [Woody] Yeah, I know, I know.

1407
01:17:47,389 --> 01:17:48,347
- Very interesting.
- Yeah, exactly.

1408
01:17:48,347 --> 01:17:49,380
- [Ingibjorg] And this one, too.

1409
01:17:49,380 --> 01:17:52,900
- [Woody] Slides are actually
artifacts of early masks,

1410
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,090
of electronic circuits, which I found

1411
01:17:55,090 --> 01:17:59,670
as anthropologist in Los Alamos junkyard.

1412
01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:02,720
And they are very precisely manufactured,

1413
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,683
and they represent first
level of integrated circuits.

1414
01:18:06,683 --> 01:18:09,173
This is a war material, actually.

1415
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,120
And then, I put it into
a bucket, took it home.

1416
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,800
And by error, I left it outside.

1417
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,940
And that was cooked for a year in the sun.

1418
01:18:22,940 --> 01:18:25,793
And that sun is pretty good in Santa Fe.

1419
01:18:27,596 --> 01:18:31,570
(soft, ambient music)

1420
01:18:31,570 --> 01:18:32,403
- [Steina] That was the beginning

1421
01:18:32,403 --> 01:18:34,433
of Woody's printing career.

1422
01:18:35,356 --> 01:18:40,356
So, that was how we came
to be invited to Frenoir.

1423
01:18:42,620 --> 01:18:43,740
- This is a sketch.

1424
01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:48,740
I have maybe several thousand, of course,

1425
01:18:49,813 --> 01:18:53,400
pictures like that, or maybe even more.

1426
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,773
Some of them I lost.

1427
01:18:55,778 --> 01:18:58,320
Because my life was long enough.

1428
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,400
These pictures, they
are television frames,

1429
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,900
and each of these pictures
is made out of 525 lines

1430
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:11,220
that you can bend as it
would be piece of material

1431
01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:14,350
- The Vasulka Effect, this
is an effect of the time.

1432
01:19:14,350 --> 01:19:17,970
That's why I think this
is a historical artist,

1433
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:20,641
because there is a brain.

1434
01:19:20,641 --> 01:19:25,641
They have made something
that we can't find today.

1435
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,223
This is like sculpture.

1436
01:19:29,127 --> 01:19:32,103
And the size, it's okay.

1437
01:19:32,103 --> 01:19:34,440
- [Woody] Oh yeah, I think it's nice.

1438
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:35,620
- You happy?

1439
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:38,823
- Of course, I feel it before, you know.

1440
01:19:38,823 --> 01:19:43,823
But as big like that, I've
not seen, except projected.

1441
01:19:45,650 --> 01:19:47,660
But no, this is like,

1442
01:19:47,660 --> 01:19:48,493
- This is quite,

1443
01:19:48,493 --> 01:19:49,890
- Has its own identity.

1444
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:52,442
So, thank you very much, sir.

1445
01:19:52,442 --> 01:19:53,477
(chuckling)

1446
01:19:53,477 --> 01:19:56,644
(soft, ambient music)

1447
01:19:57,582 --> 01:19:59,850
- [Woman] We have Steina
and Woody coming here.

1448
01:19:59,850 --> 01:20:02,783
- For instance, even just
at the Loop Festival,

1449
01:20:02,783 --> 01:20:06,380
you can see so many of the
stories that are being told

1450
01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:11,380
by younger artists,
and by pioneer artists.

1451
01:20:11,647 --> 01:20:15,540
They all root back to the
Vasulkas, in some way.

1452
01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:17,940
Whether it has to do
with image processing,

1453
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:19,930
or with things like The Kitchen,

1454
01:20:19,930 --> 01:20:24,790
that were promoting the
earliest exhibitions.

1455
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:26,810
So many people have these stories

1456
01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:28,660
that go right back to the Vasulkas.

1457
01:20:28,660 --> 01:20:31,440
In a sense, they're the generators,

1458
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:33,640
maybe even the shoulders, that most

1459
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,824
of video art has stood
upon and grown from.

1460
01:20:36,824 --> 01:20:39,991
(soft, ambient music)

1461
01:20:42,981 --> 01:20:45,540
The art world never cared for us,

1462
01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:48,140
and that was our luck, I think,

1463
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:52,640
because they swayed a lot
of people into making art.

1464
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,900
And since we weren't artists, we could do

1465
01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:58,253
whatever we goddamned wanted, you know?

1466
01:20:59,270 --> 01:21:02,997
So, we were always on the outside.

1467
01:21:02,997 --> 01:21:03,830
(chuckling)

1468
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:05,073
Can you believe this?

1469
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:08,309
- Yeah, this is pretty good.

1470
01:21:08,309 --> 01:21:09,142
This is pretty good.

1471
01:21:09,142 --> 01:21:10,960
- We never had it so good.

1472
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:11,913
It's beautiful.

1473
01:21:20,626 --> 01:21:24,020
(soft piano music)

1474
01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:25,268
- Wow, wow, wow.

1475
01:21:25,268 --> 01:21:27,031
(cameras clicking)

1476
01:21:27,031 --> 01:21:30,067
And this place is,
actually, very beautiful.

1477
01:21:30,067 --> 01:21:33,015
(cameras clicking)

1478
01:21:33,015 --> 01:21:34,711
- So, in Iceland, you have a chamber,

1479
01:21:34,711 --> 01:21:36,790
and here, we have a kitchen.

1480
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:39,226
- I'm so glad to come here.

1481
01:21:39,226 --> 01:21:41,354
(chuckling)

1482
01:21:41,354 --> 01:21:44,721
(distortion softly blaring)

1483
01:21:44,721 --> 01:21:47,130
- That they've created infrastructures

1484
01:21:47,130 --> 01:21:48,660
and platforms for people to be able

1485
01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:51,080
to come together, and
I think that's really

1486
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,400
one of the driving
principles behind founding

1487
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,800
the Vasulka Kitchen, is
not so much looking at it

1488
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,030
as a legacy project, but
looking at it as a way

1489
01:21:59,030 --> 01:22:03,020
to really be inspired by
their work, and move forward.

1490
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:06,763
- And there will be, of
course, videos from archive.

1491
01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:11,210
And there will be
archive from The Kitchen.

1492
01:22:11,210 --> 01:22:14,640
Because Steina has a similar chamber

1493
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,400
which inspired us in Iceland in Rekjavik.

1494
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,890
So, we decided, naturally, to make

1495
01:22:20,890 --> 01:22:24,862
the similar center in Woody's hometown.

1496
01:22:24,862 --> 01:22:27,751
(speaking in a foreign language)

1497
01:22:27,751 --> 01:22:29,920
I think the youngest generation of artists

1498
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,920
are really admiring theirs work,

1499
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,963
and it is iconic, so I
think it's important.

1500
01:22:37,061 --> 01:22:40,161
(audience applauding)

1501
01:22:40,161 --> 01:22:42,120
- I should have more respect.

1502
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,340
The man is now a certified artist.

1503
01:22:46,340 --> 01:22:47,173
- [Woman] Yes.

1504
01:22:51,558 --> 01:22:54,725
(soft, ambient music)

1505
01:22:56,825 --> 01:23:00,908
(speaking in a foreign language)

1506
01:23:22,681 --> 01:23:25,598
(traffic bustling)

1507
01:23:27,333 --> 01:23:28,166
- Grant?

1508
01:23:29,419 --> 01:23:30,502
Another right

1509
01:23:35,467 --> 01:23:38,384
(car horn honking)

1510
01:23:41,659 --> 01:23:42,992
- [Man] Where are you going?

1511
01:23:42,992 --> 01:23:44,967
- The Whitney Museum.

1512
01:23:44,967 --> 01:23:49,050
(speaking in a foreign language)

1513
01:23:50,121 --> 01:23:52,130
- I just found that the Whitney had put

1514
01:23:52,130 --> 01:23:54,950
my installation for a lot of money,

1515
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:57,430
but I didn't even pay attention to it.

1516
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:59,683
So, I didn't know they
had this installation.

1517
01:24:01,827 --> 01:24:03,930
And they said, they owned it.

1518
01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:05,750
And I said, they owned it?

1519
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:08,823
And they even showed me a
paper that I had signed.

1520
01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:12,610
And it was quite a bit of money.

1521
01:24:12,610 --> 01:24:13,773
They never showed it.

1522
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:16,030
And now, they're gonna show it,

1523
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:18,980
because we are showing
up in the art magazines.

1524
01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:22,850
And they say, hey, we have a Vasulka.

1525
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:25,145
Not that they know what
the hell it was, you know?

1526
01:24:25,145 --> 01:24:29,228
(speaking in a foreign language)

1527
01:24:34,225 --> 01:24:37,392
(soft, ambient music)

1528
01:24:43,694 --> 01:24:44,629
- Look who's here, Karen?

1529
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:45,928
Vasulka.
- Hi.

1530
01:24:45,928 --> 01:24:47,200
- Hello.
- Pleasure to meet you.

1531
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,130
- We met a long time ago.

1532
01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:49,963
- We did?

1533
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,700
- We're all the head hanchos.

1534
01:24:52,700 --> 01:24:53,698
- I'm not the head hancho.

1535
01:24:53,698 --> 01:24:55,540
(laughing)

1536
01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:58,880
- The work still feels very fresh.

1537
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,060
Because now, through digital technologies,

1538
01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:07,060
we see many of these
effects, or manipulations

1539
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:12,900
of image spaces that
Steina explored at a much

1540
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:17,167
earlier time through
more analog technologies.

1541
01:25:18,046 --> 01:25:21,213
(soft, ambient music)